Panic ! Help! Dark Wide game!

[Marc]

PAnic I've just treembered I promised the troop a wide game for tuesady!

We can use 3 acres of open grassy common or 5 acres of woodland with a
circular path runiingn through it. Any suggestions?

[eddie]

Post by Marc
PAnic I've just treembered I promised the troop a wide game for tuesady!
We can use 3 acres of open grassy common or 5 acres of woodland with a
circular path runiingn through it. Any suggestions?

Easy pasy game. - An advace on 'Jack o Lantern'

At least 3 adults each with a lamp. They walk about for an hour or so with
their lamps.

The scouts in pairs if they are little, singly if they are brave.
They run around with a long slip of card collecting the signatures of the
leaders.
The only rule is that they can't have the same signature twice in a row.
( it really doesn't matter how many times leaders get caught, the lids just
get higher scores making it less boring for them!)

End of game blow a whistle and all searching and sigs end.
Best have a spare leaders at some easy point with water & plasters.

Leaders can't turn their light off, so if they are getting caught too often
simply move away from other lamps. If you have 4 or 5 lamps you could ask
for 2 sigs before repeating. But it is meant to be an easy, fast and fun
game. No stealing from each other. If you think kids are going about in a
big group simply insist on keeping walking and signing others after a 3 min
walk.

Variation is for leaders to have different whistles and bells.

Eddie Langdown 16th Bermondsey London

[Ian Meanie]

Post by eddie
Variation is for leaders to have different whistles and bells.

I've seen it done with glow sticks. Then the leaders hide the glow
sticks,
and you can only get a signature (or it was a raffle ticket in this
case*)
when they held the glow stick up. No hanging round the leader, or
they'll
just keep the glow stick hidden.

* I'd not recommend raffle tickets, we had to litter sweep the next
morning.

Ian.

[Bill Oldroyd]

Post by Marc
PAnic I've just treembered I promised the troop a wide game for tuesady!
We can use 3 acres of open grassy common or 5 acres of woodland with a
circular path runiingn through it. Any suggestions?

Probably best on the parkland :

"Kill Bill" - I know it has other names, but that's what our
scouts call it :-) .

One or more leaders, suitably dressed for a cold evening and
camouflaged, each have a whistle. They go and hide, they blow the
whistle at regular intervals and the scouts have to find them.

Sounds easy. You can have them walking over you without them
knowing where you are.

Bill

[John Russell]

Post by Marc
PAnic I've just treembered I promised the troop a wide game for tuesady!
We can use 3 acres of open grassy common or 5 acres of woodland with a
circular path runiingn through it. Any suggestions?

How about this. Split into two teams. When I first did this the two teams
were cargo ships crossing the Atlantic, and German submarines. Hence the
game is always called in my mind "Wolf Pack" although I've done the same
thing on several other themes.

The game can be played in woods or open ground, with cover or without, in
day or at night, and depending on those circumstances is either a running
around game or a stealth game.

Three Leaders required - one is America (in the Wolf Pack version), one is
Britain (widely separated from America, of course) and the third is Germany.

America has a supply of cargo tokens (cards labelled "cargo" or these days I
tend to use gash diskettes) - enough so that every cargo ship gets to have 3
or 4 goes. The cargo ships have to get the cargo - each ship can only carry
one cargo at a time - from America to Britain. The German submarines are
not allowed within 20 paces of either America or Britain, and have to
intercept the cargo ships and take the cargo.

Now, submarines hunt in Wolf Packs. So when a submarine catches a ship
(touching is sufficient) the ship *has* to stop, but the submarine cannot
take the cargo until he calls up two other submarines. When there are three
submarines the ship has to hand over the cargo.

The ship can now return to America to take another cargo. One of the
submarines has to take the cargo to Germany, taking him out of the hunt,
briefly. The submarine can only carry one cargo at a time.

Count the number of cargoes that get through, then change the teams over and
count how many the others can get through.

It doesn't take long to realise that, while a Wolf Pack is forming to take
the cargo off one ship, the number of hunters is reduced and another ship
can slip through. And it doesn't take much longer for the idea of a convoy
to form, where the first ships sacrifice themselves to draw off the
submarines from the others. And finally some of the ships will twig that
they can dummy, and draw off submarines when they are only pretending to
carry cargo.

[eddie]

Post by John Russell

Post by Marc
PAnic I've just treembered I promised the troop a wide game for tuesady!
We can use 3 acres of open grassy common or 5 acres of woodland with a
circular path runiingn through it. Any suggestions?

How about this. Split into two teams. When I first did this the two teams
were cargo ships crossing the Atlantic, and German submarines. Hence the
game is always called in my mind "Wolf Pack" although I've done the same
thing on several other themes.
The game can be played in woods or open ground, with cover or without, in
day or at night, and depending on those circumstances is either a running
around game or a stealth game.
Three Leaders required - one is America (in the Wolf Pack version), one is
Britain (widely separated from America, of course) and the third is Germany.
America has a supply of cargo tokens (cards labelled "cargo" or these days I
tend to use gash diskettes) - enough so that every cargo ship gets to have 3
or 4 goes. The cargo ships have to get the cargo - each ship can only carry
one cargo at a time - from America to Britain. The German submarines are
not allowed within 20 paces of either America or Britain, and have to
intercept the cargo ships and take the cargo.
Now, submarines hunt in Wolf Packs. So when a submarine catches a ship
(touching is sufficient) the ship *has* to stop, but the submarine cannot
take the cargo until he calls up two other submarines. When there are three
submarines the ship has to hand over the cargo.
The ship can now return to America to take another cargo. One of the
submarines has to take the cargo to Germany, taking him out of the hunt,
briefly. The submarine can only carry one cargo at a time.
Count the number of cargoes that get through, then change the teams over and
count how many the others can get through.
It doesn't take long to realise that, while a Wolf Pack is forming to take
the cargo off one ship, the number of hunters is reduced and another ship
can slip through. And it doesn't take much longer for the idea of a convoy
to form, where the first ships sacrifice themselves to draw off the
submarines from the others. And finally some of the ships will twig that
they can dummy, and draw off submarines when they are only pretending to
carry cargo.
--
John Russell
CSL 1st Pinhoe Exeter Devon
http://www.pinhoescouts.org.uk/cubs/
Cubs don't care how much you know, but they need to know how much you care.

Now John, this was another of your wizzo ideas that we tried ( did you get
the photos of us playing the 'Mad Waiter' game?) Wolf Pack worked really
well with our cubs, a few minor scraps when kids refused to hand-over their
cargo of spoons ( so we changed to plastic plates that couldn't be hidden)
the only problem was the shouting. "Over here, I've got one!" My colleague
said it must have been the noisiest night game in the world. But they went
to bed that bit quieter, So, thanks again John.
Eddie Langdown 16th Bermondsey London

[John Russell]

Post by eddie
Now John, this was another of your wizzo ideas that we tried ( did you get
the photos of us playing the 'Mad Waiter' game?) Wolf Pack worked really
well with our cubs, a few minor scraps when kids refused to hand-over their
cargo of spoons ( so we changed to plastic plates that couldn't be hidden)
the only problem was the shouting. "Over here, I've got one!" My colleague
said it must have been the noisiest night game in the world. But they went
to bed that bit quieter, So, thanks again John.
Eddie Langdown 16th Bermondsey London

Yes, the game does involve a bit of shouting. So the problem is . . . ?

No, I didn't get your photos - when did you send them?

PS We're investing two new ACSLs this evening, and they will then invest
the 7 newish Cubs who joined the pack at the same time as they did. Re your
earlier question about leaders being invested before warrants and before
training, these two have started but not of course (this is their first term
with us) finished training, and their warrants are not through yet, but we
need to invest these kids, we think it would be nice if they were invested
by the adults who've been preparing them, and they need to be invested by
Leaders who are themselves invested, so investing the new leaders tonight is
the right thing to do.

[Gooders]

Post by John Russell

Post by eddie
Now John, this was another of your wizzo ideas that we tried ( did you get
the photos of us playing the 'Mad Waiter' game?) Wolf Pack worked really
well with our cubs, a few minor scraps when kids refused to hand-over their
cargo of spoons ( so we changed to plastic plates that couldn't be hidden)
the only problem was the shouting. "Over here, I've got one!" My colleague
said it must have been the noisiest night game in the world. But they went
to bed that bit quieter, So, thanks again John.
Eddie Langdown 16th Bermondsey London

Yes, the game does involve a bit of shouting. So the problem is . . . ?
No, I didn't get your photos - when did you send them?
PS We're investing two new ACSLs this evening, and they will then invest
the 7 newish Cubs who joined the pack at the same time as they did. Re your
earlier question about leaders being invested before warrants and before
training, these two have started but not of course (this is their first term
with us) finished training, and their warrants are not through yet, but we
need to invest these kids, we think it would be nice if they were invested
by the adults who've been preparing them, and they need to be invested by
Leaders who are themselves invested, so investing the new leaders tonight is
the right thing to do.
--
John Russell
CSL 1st Pinhoe Exeter Devon
http://www.pinhoescouts.org.uk/cubs/
Cubs don't care how much you know, but they need to know how much you care.

Is it an urban myth, but I didn't think you could invest adult
_leaders_ until they had their full warrant i.e. had completed 'getting
started'. That's certainly how it works in this district.

And I thought that Eddie's question concerned a unit helper rather than
a warranted leader - but maybe I'm wrong.

Regards,

Stephen

[John Russell]

Post by Gooders

Post by John Russell
PS We're investing two new ACSLs this evening, and they will then invest
the 7 newish Cubs who joined the pack at the same time as they did. Re your
earlier question about leaders being invested before warrants and before
training, these two have started but not of course (this is their first term
with us) finished training, and their warrants are not through yet, but we
need to invest these kids, we think it would be nice if they were invested
by the adults who've been preparing them, and they need to be invested by
Leaders who are themselves invested, so investing the new leaders tonight is
the right thing to do.

Is it an urban myth, but I didn't think you could invest adult
_leaders_ until they had their full warrant i.e. had completed 'getting
started'. That's certainly how it works in this district.

You mean there might be a bureaucratic reason for _not_ getting these kids
invested by the Leaders who've been working with them?

Ummm? Do the right thing by the kids and the new leaders, or go by the
book? Difficult choice!

Actually, I don't know what the book says on this. I knew what I needed to
do, I told the GSL that's what I wanted to do, he told the DC that we were
investing the two new leaders tonight and did he want to come and do the
investiture. The DC said he couldn't but we should go ahead and he'd come
down and present the warrants when they came through. So I don't know if
anybody's bending anything here but it all seems fair enough to me.

[Andy Pevy]

Post by John Russell

Post by Gooders

Post by John Russell
PS We're investing two new ACSLs this evening, and they will then invest
the 7 newish Cubs who joined the pack at the same time as they did. Re
your earlier question about leaders being invested before warrants and
before training, these two have started but not of course (this is their
first term with us) finished training, and their warrants are not
through yet, but we need to invest these kids, we think it would be nice
if they were invested by the adults who've been preparing them, and they
need to be invested by Leaders who are themselves invested, so investing
the new leaders tonight is the right thing to do.

Is it an urban myth, but I didn't think you could invest adult
_leaders_ until they had their full warrant i.e. had completed 'getting
started'. That's certainly how it works in this district.

You mean there might be a bureaucratic reason for _not_ getting these kids
invested by the Leaders who've been working with them?
Ummm? Do the right thing by the kids and the new leaders, or go by the
book? Difficult choice!
Actually, I don't know what the book says on this. I knew what I needed
to do, I told the GSL that's what I wanted to do, he told the DC that we
were investing the two new leaders tonight and did he want to come and do
the
investiture. The DC said he couldn't but we should go ahead and he'd come
down and present the warrants when they came through. So I don't know if
anybody's bending anything here but it all seems fair enough to me.

This is exactly what happened to me, I got invested along with a couple of
scouts (by the DSL) and then got my full warrant presented later, again by
the DSL. All with our DC's OK.

Andy Pevy
ASL 1st Sandhurst

[eddie]

Post by Gooders
Is it an urban myth, but I didn't think you could invest adult
_leaders_ until they had their full warrant i.e. had completed 'getting
started'. That's certainly how it works in this district.
And I thought that Eddie's question concerned a unit helper rather than
a warranted leader - but maybe I'm wrong.
Regards,
Stephen

No, I want to invest a new adult, who is effectivly 'Leading a section' (
with an warranted leader in attendance) and who probably won't be warranted
for months.
I also have a leader's husband, who attends the odd camp, lots of skills,
has no intention of doing anything else, but who i think should have a group
scarf and be a 'member'.
Eddie

[chris.5th]

Post by eddie

Post by Gooders
Is it an urban myth, but I didn't think you could invest adult
_leaders_ until they had their full warrant i.e. had completed 'getting
started'. That's certainly how it works in this district.
And I thought that Eddie's question concerned a unit helper rather than
a warranted leader - but maybe I'm wrong.
Regards,
Stephen

No, I want to invest a new adult, who is effectivly 'Leading a section' (
with an warranted leader in attendance) and who probably won't be warranted
for months.
I also have a leader's husband, who attends the odd camp, lots of skills,
has no intention of doing anything else, but who i think should have a group
scarf and be a 'member'.
Eddie

They can fill in an AA form to be an associate member, or a member.
(See POR) And, let's be honest, they can wear the scarf if they want
anyway. It's not sacred.

[eddie]

Post by chris.5th
They can fill in an AA form to be an associate member, or a member.
(See POR) And, let's be honest, they can wear the scarf if they want
anyway. It's not sacred.

SCARF NOT SACRED? !
Ours is mate!
More important to me than all the warrants and beads in the wide world...
becuase it welcomes them into our family,
and thereby into the BIG family!
Eddie Langdown

[Alastair Rainsbury]

Post by John Russell

Post by Marc
PAnic I've just treembered I promised the troop a wide game for tuesady!
We can use 3 acres of open grassy common or 5 acres of woodland with a
circular path runiingn through it. Any suggestions?

How about this. Split into two teams. When I first did this the two teams
were cargo ships crossing the Atlantic, and German submarines. Hence the
game is always called in my mind "Wolf Pack" although I've done the same
thing on several other themes.

Just played this with our cubs tonight.

They loved it.

Thanks John