Discussion:
Planning ahead
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Ewan Scott
2006-08-31 15:23:39 UTC
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Every year I vow that we will do something for Remembrance Day on
section Nights. Most years it ends up a last minute on-the-fly job and
I always feel that I owe it more.

I don't want to send everyone home depressed and morose but I do want
to try and make them think.

In the past I read a log book entry from a merchant ship that was
struck and sunk by a U-Boat torpedo in the Atlantic. It silenced the
whole troop. I found it harder to read than I expected and it rather
obviously hit home with one or two of the kids.

I've read some Sigfried Sassoon and Wilfred Owen but this year I'd
like to work up some programme around Remembrence, and perhaps finsh
with, or include some songs.

I've got a few in mind to choose from:-

Flowers O The Forest - has to be pipes.
The Band Played Waltzing Matilda - Clancy & Makem - about Gallipoli
and the human cost.
The Fields of France - The Corries - WW1 related
The Old Boys - Run Rig - a lament about the passing of the veterans

Anyway, has anyone any other ideas for a short project, or "game" or
anything that fits in with the theme.

I know it is a while of but I'd like to be prepared this time.

Ewan Scott
baloo
2006-08-31 15:53:50 UTC
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I shall follow this with interest - I am keen for ideas as this is
something that we have pencilled into our programme, but for cubs.

I have found some ideas from trawling the web, but like Ewan would
welcome any suggestions.

Ewan, have you had a look at programmes online as, IIRC, there was
something on there with an idea for bases, but I am not sure if it was
appropriate for Scouts. Is it possible to approach the local RBL, they
may have somebody who would be willing to come an talk to the Scouts?

Peter

ACSL - 2nd Bracknell - Scouting for Bullbrook & Warfield -
www.2ndbracknell.co.uk
Shop online http://buy.at/2ndbracknell. You get good prices, we get
commission.
Kate
2006-08-31 16:10:07 UTC
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Post by baloo
I shall follow this with interest - I am keen for ideas as this is
something that we have pencilled into our programme, but for cubs.
I have found some ideas from trawling the web, but like Ewan would
welcome any suggestions.
Ewan, have you had a look at programmes online as, IIRC, there was
something on there with an idea for bases, but I am not sure if it was
appropriate for Scouts. Is it possible to approach the local RBL, they
may have somebody who would be willing to come an talk to the Scouts?
Peter
There are definitely ideas on POL for Beavers (we've already planned
this in!) - not sure about the other sections
Post by baloo
ACSL - 2nd Bracknell - Scouting for Bullbrook & Warfield -
www.2ndbracknell.co.uk
Shop online http://buy.at/2ndbracknell. You get good prices, we get
commission.
--
Kate
ABSL 1st Weald Brook, Essex.
Ewan Scott
2006-08-31 16:45:10 UTC
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Post by baloo
I shall follow this with interest - I am keen for ideas as this is
something that we have pencilled into our programme, but for cubs.
I have found some ideas from trawling the web, but like Ewan would
welcome any suggestions.
Ewan, have you had a look at programmes online as, IIRC, there was
something on there with an idea for bases, but I am not sure if it was
appropriate for Scouts. Is it possible to approach the local RBL, they
may have somebody who would be willing to come an talk to the Scouts?
Programme Online?

Just searched SBUK and I can't find anything. Where is this hidden?

I will admit that in all my time I have never picked up a single idea
from the Programme On A Plate type pages in Scouting.

Ewan Scott
Tony Mochan
2006-08-31 16:50:18 UTC
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Post by Ewan Scott
Post by baloo
I shall follow this with interest - I am keen for ideas as this is
something that we have pencilled into our programme, but for cubs.
I have found some ideas from trawling the web, but like Ewan would
welcome any suggestions.
Ewan, have you had a look at programmes online as, IIRC, there was
something on there with an idea for bases, but I am not sure if it was
appropriate for Scouts. Is it possible to approach the local RBL, they
may have somebody who would be willing to come an talk to the Scouts?
Programme Online?
Just searched SBUK and I can't find anything. Where is this hidden?
www.scouts.org.uk/pol

(It's the fifth link down on the right of scouts.org.uk, and the fourth on
SBUK)
--
Tony Mochan
Scout Leader, 20th Dundee
Chris Atkinson
2006-09-04 23:44:02 UTC
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Post by Ewan Scott
Programme Online?
Just searched SBUK and I can't find anything. Where is this hidden?
Sorry Ewan, yes it was originally going to be on SBUK, but an HQ
decision was taken in '04 to locate it on scouts.org.uk instead with a
view to linking it with Management Services. It's also HQ policy to
deliver an effective service to Members by, amongst other things,
avoiding any confusion arising from them not knowing where to find the
information they need. One can only applaud this, since it was the
raison d'etre underlying the conception of SBUK back in '95.
Chris A.
--
Chris Atkinson
***@ntlworld.com
Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.
Tony Mochan
2006-09-05 09:25:15 UTC
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:44:02 +0100, Chris Atkinson
Post by Chris Atkinson
Post by Ewan Scott
Programme Online?
Just searched SBUK and I can't find anything. Where is this hidden?
Sorry Ewan, yes it was originally going to be on SBUK, but an HQ
decision was taken in '04 to locate it on scouts.org.uk instead with a
view to linking it with Management Services. It's also HQ policy to
deliver an effective service to Members by, amongst other things,
avoiding any confusion arising from them not knowing where to find the
information they need. One can only applaud this, since it was the
raison d'etre underlying the conception of SBUK back in '95.
Chris A.
Sorry, where would I find this wonderful resource you speak of?
Everything in one place? No confusion? ScoutBaseUK is now a poor
imitation of it's former glory. Perhaps this has been in the planning all
along?

My major bug bear about www.scouts.org.uk is the poor navigation ...
unless you know the shortcut to it, it's nigh on impossible to find stuff
...

www.scouts.org.uk/art
www.scouts.org.uk/startup
www.scouts.org.uk/2007
www.scouts.org.uk/ukcontingent
www.scouts.org.uk/pol
www.scouts.org.uk/etc...

The menus at the top are soooooooo small, that they are impossible to use,
especially as they have transparent backgrounds, on an otherwise crowded
page, and the logic of the organisation of them escapes me.

And why oh why oh why is there such a large image for the header of each
page ... on a laptop/low resolution, I constantly have to scroll down to
read anything useful.
--
Disgruntled, Scotland
Paul Harris
2006-09-05 15:25:04 UTC
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Post by Tony Mochan
On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:44:02 +0100, Chris Atkinson
Post by Chris Atkinson
Sorry Ewan, yes it was originally going to be on SBUK, but an HQ
decision was taken in '04 to locate it on scouts.org.uk instead with a
view to linking it with Management Services. It's also HQ policy to
deliver an effective service to Members by, amongst other things,
avoiding any confusion arising from them not knowing where to find
the information they need. One can only applaud this, since it was the
raison d'etre underlying the conception of SBUK back in '95.
Sorry, where would I find this wonderful resource you speak of?
Everything in one place? No confusion? ScoutBaseUK is now a poor
imitation of it's former glory. Perhaps this has been in the planning
all along?
I agree SBUK is no longer what it was in its hey day and there is a very
confused message now with the multiple web sites which needs to be
resolved. As for who is responsible or whether any of it was planned I
couldn't say.

ScoutBase was based on the concept of the web site being a resource for
Leaders by Leaders. A couple of years ago TSA opened a new web site
scouts.org which was the corporate site leaving SBUK as the members
site. The content of both became the responsibility of H.Q. and the
SBUK team were no longer responsible for content.

I think that the rationale of SBUK being the members site was somehow
lost as things such as POL and Membership Services that one might have
expected to appear on SBUK appeared on scouts.org
Post by Tony Mochan
My major bug bear about www.scouts.org.uk is the poor navigation ...
unless you know the shortcut to it, it's nigh on impossible to find
stuff ...
www.scouts.org.uk/art
www.scouts.org.uk/startup
www.scouts.org.uk/2007
www.scouts.org.uk/ukcontingent
www.scouts.org.uk/pol
www.scouts.org.uk/etc...
The menus at the top are soooooooo small, that they are impossible to
use, especially as they have transparent backgrounds, on an otherwise
crowded page, and the logic of the organisation of them escapes me.
And why oh why oh why is there such a large image for the header of
each page ... on a laptop/low resolution, I constantly have to scroll
down to read anything useful.
You would really have to address those questions to those who are
responsible for the scouts.org web site and I don't think that they post
here so you are most unlikely to get an explanation from them in urs I
fact I am not sure if the design and build was even all done in house
some of it may have been out sourced to professionals.
--
Paul Harris
Tony Mochan
2006-09-05 16:03:46 UTC
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Post by Paul Harris
You would really have to address those questions to those who are
responsible for the scouts.org web site and I don't think that they post
here so you are most unlikely to get an explanation from them in urs I
fact I am not sure if the design and build was even all done in house
some of it may have been out sourced to professionals.
Ah, professionals, that explains it then! ;-)
--
Tony Mochan
Scout Leader, 20th Dundee
Phil Bradshaw
2006-09-05 17:23:22 UTC
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Post by Tony Mochan
Post by Paul Harris
You would really have to address those questions to those who are
responsible for the scouts.org web site and I don't think that they post
here so you are most unlikely to get an explanation from them in urs I
fact I am not sure if the design and build was even all done in house
some of it may have been out sourced to professionals.
Ah, professionals, that explains it then! ;-)
Non-compliance with W3C?
Or did you mean something else?
Peter Sheppard
2006-09-05 21:26:46 UTC
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Post by Phil Bradshaw
Non-compliance with W3C?
Or did you mean something else?
broken XHTML, broken CSS, accessibility errors at all 3 levels, pages broken
in different browsers, pages with "content goes here" showing and nothing
else, broken dreamweaver templates

Very professional...

Not to mention the lack of updates!
Chris Atkinson
2006-09-06 18:16:05 UTC
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Post by Peter Sheppard
Post by Phil Bradshaw
Non-compliance with W3C?
Or did you mean something else?
broken XHTML, broken CSS, accessibility errors at all 3 levels, pages broken
in different browsers, pages with "content goes here" showing and nothing
else, broken dreamweaver templates
Very professional...
Not to mention the lack of updates!
but apart from that then ...? ;^)
Chris A.
--
Chris Atkinson
***@ntlworld.com UTC Computer Services
Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.
Peter Sheppard
2006-09-06 18:27:43 UTC
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Post by Chris Atkinson
Post by Peter Sheppard
broken XHTML, broken CSS, accessibility errors at all 3 levels, pages broken
in different browsers, pages with "content goes here" showing and nothing
else, broken dreamweaver templates
Very professional...
Not to mention the lack of updates!
but apart from that then ...? ;^)
Don't get me started on membership services, the shocking interface, and the
fact its in no way fir for purpose!
Chris Atkinson
2006-09-06 18:16:04 UTC
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Post by Phil Bradshaw
Post by Tony Mochan
Ah, professionals, that explains it then! ;-)
Non-compliance with W3C?
Or did you mean something else?
Errr, would that be the Gilwell post code then ? ;^)
Chris A.
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Chris Atkinson
***@ntlworld.com
Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.
Ewan Scott
2006-08-31 16:45:13 UTC
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Post by baloo
I shall follow this with interest - I am keen for ideas as this is
something that we have pencilled into our programme, but for cubs.
I have found some ideas from trawling the web, but like Ewan would
welcome any suggestions.
Ewan, have you had a look at programmes online as, IIRC, there was
something on there with an idea for bases, but I am not sure if it was
appropriate for Scouts. Is it possible to approach the local RBL, they
may have somebody who would be willing to come an talk to the Scouts?
Peter
ACSL - 2nd Bracknell - Scouting for Bullbrook & Warfield -
www.2ndbracknell.co.uk
Shop online http://buy.at/2ndbracknell. You get good prices, we get
commission.
PeterH
2006-08-31 16:36:25 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:23:39 +0100, Ewan Scott
Post by Ewan Scott
Every year I vow that we will do something for Remembrance Day on
section Nights. Most years it ends up a last minute on-the-fly job and
I always feel that I owe it more.
I don't want to send everyone home depressed and morose but I do want
to try and make them think.
In the past I read a log book entry from a merchant ship that was
struck and sunk by a U-Boat torpedo in the Atlantic. It silenced the
whole troop. I found it harder to read than I expected and it rather
obviously hit home with one or two of the kids.
Sorry it is from over the Pennines but http://www.pals.org.uk/song.htm

Peter
Matthew
2006-08-31 16:50:11 UTC
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For the last three years I have arranged for a 'veteran' to come and
talk to the Cubs. Firstly was a member of the Normandy Veterans, then a
local re-enactor from The Great War Society, last year was a local
gentlemen who had served in tanks in North Africa and Europe in 1944.

The Cubs sometimes found it difficult to place the actual veternas
because, at that age, they have difficulty understanding time. We tried
to get around it by creating a time line showing their average
birthdays, Akela's and then the veterans, the dates of the war etc.

This year I plan to contact the local barracks to see if I can get a
serving soldier who has served in Iraq.

If you are going to get a WW2 veteran make sure they are able to
communicate well. These men and women and very elderly and it isn't
easy for them sometimes to communicate with kids; the age difference is
a big gap for them.

Hope this helps

Matthew
CSL 1st Ribchester
Ewan Scott
2006-08-31 17:01:06 UTC
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Post by Matthew
For the last three years I have arranged for a 'veteran' to come and
talk to the Cubs. Firstly was a member of the Normandy Veterans, then a
local re-enactor from The Great War Society, last year was a local
gentlemen who had served in tanks in North Africa and Europe in 1944.
The Cubs sometimes found it difficult to place the actual veternas
because, at that age, they have difficulty understanding time. We tried
to get around it by creating a time line showing their average
birthdays, Akela's and then the veterans, the dates of the war etc.
This year I plan to contact the local barracks to see if I can get a
serving soldier who has served in Iraq.
If you are going to get a WW2 veteran make sure they are able to
communicate well. These men and women and very elderly and it isn't
easy for them sometimes to communicate with kids; the age difference is
a big gap for them.
I could ask an Iraq vet, one of my Ventures ebnded up in Iraq and came
home wounded. By his NCO who broke his jaw for being negligent....

Best thing that could have happened to him because the rate at which
he has accidents he would not have lasted long across there.

Ewan Scott
Rich
2006-08-31 20:44:22 UTC
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Ewan

You've got me thinking about this now! Do you have a link/book reference for
the merchant ship log you discussed - it certainly sounds like something I
would like to consider

Thanks
Rich
Post by Ewan Scott
Every year I vow that we will do something for Remembrance Day on
section Nights. Most years it ends up a last minute on-the-fly job and
I always feel that I owe it more.
I don't want to send everyone home depressed and morose but I do want
to try and make them think.
In the past I read a log book entry from a merchant ship that was
struck and sunk by a U-Boat torpedo in the Atlantic. It silenced the
whole troop. I found it harder to read than I expected and it rather
obviously hit home with one or two of the kids.
I've read some Sigfried Sassoon and Wilfred Owen but this year I'd
like to work up some programme around Remembrence, and perhaps finsh
with, or include some songs.
I've got a few in mind to choose from:-
Flowers O The Forest - has to be pipes.
The Band Played Waltzing Matilda - Clancy & Makem - about Gallipoli
and the human cost.
The Fields of France - The Corries - WW1 related
The Old Boys - Run Rig - a lament about the passing of the veterans
Anyway, has anyone any other ideas for a short project, or "game" or
anything that fits in with the theme.
I know it is a while of but I'd like to be prepared this time.
Ewan Scott
Ewan Scott
2006-09-01 07:36:43 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:44:22 GMT, "Rich"
Post by Rich
Ewan
You've got me thinking about this now! Do you have a link/book reference for
the merchant ship log you discussed - it certainly sounds like something I
would like to consider
Ah, a great uncle worked with a merchant shipping line and after WW2
the line commemorated all its crew who lost their lives by publishing
reports from survivors and log extracts.

I don't want to break the spione spreading it to photocopy but I'll
see what I can do.

e-mail me with your proper e-mail address and if I can copy some if it
I'll get it to you.

Ewan Scott
Stephen Rainsbury
2006-09-02 01:13:17 UTC
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I gave just remebered an excercise we did at school,

We were split into three groups of about 10 and told that each represented a
bomber crew.

Every body was given a job and the the captain was given two dice

We then flew sorties after which the captian threw the dice. Anything other
than a double was OK but double 6 meant plane destroyed everyone killed,
4+5 was bad damage and the plane written off, 3 2 and 1 were damaged but
miss that number of sorties for repair.

If ytour plane was damaged you rolled a single dice each, IIRC 6 was dead 5
or 4 was badly injured and out of war, 3 and 2 were injured miss that number
of sorties 1 was no effect.

We then did a series of raids until after a dozen sorties one plane was
written off all crew dead, and bothe the others had been down for repair and
lost some crew, so the reaining fittest ones were rolled into one crew and
sent out again.. this cause shouts of unfair!!!

As it happened they got double 6 and were all killed... Our teacher said so
if you had been real bomber crews most of ytou would not have survied two

Ahh I seem to remeber he threw a dice for each night, soemthing like 1 and 2
was go, 3 was bad weather which meant captains had to re-roll teh first two
dice and take the worse score, 4 5 and 6 were mission scrubbed.

It was very tense and certainly those left were getting really twitchy by
the end.

I might have the dice scrores wrong but it wa somthing like that.
--
Stephen Rainsbury
ADC(Scouts) Gillingham Kent
ESL Agathoid Explorer Scout Unit
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens" - Jimi Hendrix
Tim Jones
2006-08-31 22:43:58 UTC
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:23:39 +0100, Ewan Scott
Post by Ewan Scott
Every year I vow that we will do something for Remembrance Day on
section Nights. Most years it ends up a last minute on-the-fly job and
I always feel that I owe it more.
I don't want to send everyone home depressed and morose but I do want
to try and make them think.
In the past I read a log book entry from a merchant ship that was
struck and sunk by a U-Boat torpedo in the Atlantic. It silenced the
whole troop. I found it harder to read than I expected and it rather
obviously hit home with one or two of the kids.
I've read some Sigfried Sassoon and Wilfred Owen but this year I'd
like to work up some programme around Remembrence, and perhaps finsh
with, or include some songs.
I've got a few in mind to choose from:-
Flowers O The Forest - has to be pipes.
The Band Played Waltzing Matilda - Clancy & Makem - about Gallipoli
and the human cost.
The Fields of France - The Corries - WW1 related
The Old Boys - Run Rig - a lament about the passing of the veterans
Anyway, has anyone any other ideas for a short project, or "game" or
anything that fits in with the theme.
I know it is a while of but I'd like to be prepared this time.
A visit to the Commonwealth War Graves Commision website (www.cwgc.org
) will almost certainly reveal that there are graves of war dead in
your local churchyard.. I had never realised that some were either
brought home to be buried or died of their injuries after returning
to their home towns.

We found a few interesting and tragic tales in our local churchyard
which helped to bring some of the names in the list of the fallen read
out in the Remebrance Sunday service to life for the scouts.

You could maybe also check out the names on the War Memorial and find
out how and where they were killed.

regards

Tim Jones
wireless
2006-09-01 07:23:02 UTC
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Post by Ewan Scott
Anyway, has anyone any other ideas for a short project, or "game" or
anything that fits in with the theme.
I know it is a while of but I'd like to be prepared this time.
Not wishing to be too morbid but a thought has just sprung into my head...

how about geting them to pretend to launch an assault from a WW1 trench
(line of chairs or cushions) and then blowing a whistle to start the
assault - then as they appear shoot every one of them, then get them to
repeat it a few times with the same result each time.

hopefully this will drive home the pointlessness of it?

replace each shot person with a poppy(or red peice of paper) to build up a
large pile of paper.

at the end get someone to read out Lawrence Binyon's "For the Fallen"

or just discuss each verse of the poem?


For The Fallen
With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.

Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.

They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.

But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;

As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.



Peter
CSL
3rd Rainham GLNE
Bill Oldroyd
2006-09-01 08:50:50 UTC
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Post by wireless
Post by Ewan Scott
Anyway, has anyone any other ideas for a short project,
or "game" or anything that fits in with the theme.
I know it is a while of but I'd like to be prepared
this time.
Not wishing to be too morbid but a thought has just sprung
into my head...
how about geting them to pretend to launch an assault from
a WW1 trench (line of chairs or cushions) and then blowing
a whistle to start the assault - then as they appear shoot
every one of them, then get them to repeat it a few times
with the same result each time.
To remove the morbidity you might consider viewing the last
episode of "Black Adder goes forth" and what lies behind some
of the jokes.

Or for the other side's view of WW1, view "All quiet on the
Western Front".

A recent book on Verdun provides gruesome detail of the WW1
killing machine from a French perspective.
Post by wireless
hopefully this will drive home the pointlessness of it?
Would the more recent examples of war in Afghanistan, Iraq,
Gaza and Lebanon be better ?.

Also it's probably worth considering what BP had to say about
the Scouts role in World Peace.

Bill
Ewan Scott
2006-09-01 10:15:52 UTC
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Post by Bill Oldroyd
To remove the morbidity you might consider viewing the last
episode of "Black Adder goes forth" and what lies behind some
of the jokes.
Interesting concept but... I guess that most have seen it before. It
is TV, and it is basically funny and although adults get the message
I'm not convinced that the kids would grasp the depth of it. I also
think that in today's world of ultra violent video games it actually
takes some doing to get the message across that this is all a painful
waste.
Post by Bill Oldroyd
Or for the other side's view of WW1, view "All quiet on the
Western Front".
A recent book on Verdun provides gruesome detail of the WW1
killing machine from a French perspective.
Took my Explorers to Verdun, they found it all hard to take in.
Post by Bill Oldroyd
Post by wireless
hopefully this will drive home the pointlessness of it?
Would the more recent examples of war in Afghanistan, Iraq,
Gaza and Lebanon be better ?.
I think these current / recent conflicts raise different issues -
which whilst worth exploring may draw attention away from Armistice
Day and what it means.

I can see discusions opening about why we are involved, what would be
happening if we were not involved. I can also see issues involving the
growing fear of Islam, racism, and more.

The aim is to remember the fallen and those who will sadly continue to
give their lives in conflict - not, at this point to enter debate
about the political and religious differences.

I want them to think about how it must have ben for these men and
women living in daily fear, working together supporting each other and
seeing their schoolfriends and workmates die.

Ewan Scott
Post by Bill Oldroyd
Also it's probably worth considering what BP had to say about
the Scouts role in World Peace.
Bill
Richard Hunt
2006-09-01 11:34:08 UTC
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Most powerful thing we ever did was to visit a small war cemetery whilst in
Holland. Even the biggest PITAs got it. To wonder round with both Scouts and
Explorers as they saw ages within a year or two of themselves was amazingly
powerful.

It's certainly something I remember from when I was a scout. 100 people
doesn't sound a lot. 100 regular, well tended headstones looks - well it
looks.

Thoroughly recommend it to any other group. If nothing else it gives you an
amazing opportunity to be proud of your Scouts as they deal with it in a
mature and thoughtful way.

Rich
Post by Ewan Scott
Post by Bill Oldroyd
To remove the morbidity you might consider viewing the last
episode of "Black Adder goes forth" and what lies behind some
of the jokes.
Interesting concept but... I guess that most have seen it before. It
is TV, and it is basically funny and although adults get the message
I'm not convinced that the kids would grasp the depth of it. I also
think that in today's world of ultra violent video games it actually
takes some doing to get the message across that this is all a painful
waste.
Post by Bill Oldroyd
Or for the other side's view of WW1, view "All quiet on the
Western Front".
A recent book on Verdun provides gruesome detail of the WW1
killing machine from a French perspective.
Took my Explorers to Verdun, they found it all hard to take in.
Post by Bill Oldroyd
Post by wireless
hopefully this will drive home the pointlessness of it?
Would the more recent examples of war in Afghanistan, Iraq,
Gaza and Lebanon be better ?.
I think these current / recent conflicts raise different issues -
which whilst worth exploring may draw attention away from Armistice
Day and what it means.
I can see discusions opening about why we are involved, what would be
happening if we were not involved. I can also see issues involving the
growing fear of Islam, racism, and more.
The aim is to remember the fallen and those who will sadly continue to
give their lives in conflict - not, at this point to enter debate
about the political and religious differences.
I want them to think about how it must have ben for these men and
women living in daily fear, working together supporting each other and
seeing their schoolfriends and workmates die.
Ewan Scott
Post by Bill Oldroyd
Also it's probably worth considering what BP had to say about
the Scouts role in World Peace.
Bill
Ewan Scott
2006-09-01 15:03:14 UTC
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On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:34:08 GMT, "Richard Hunt"
Post by Richard Hunt
Most powerful thing we ever did was to visit a small war cemetery whilst in
Holland. Even the biggest PITAs got it. To wonder round with both Scouts and
Explorers as they saw ages within a year or two of themselves was amazingly
powerful.
It's certainly something I remember from when I was a scout. 100 people
doesn't sound a lot. 100 regular, well tended headstones looks - well it
looks.
Thoroughly recommend it to any other group. If nothing else it gives you an
amazing opportunity to be proud of your Scouts as they deal with it in a
mature and thoughtful way.
I have to agree, Our trip took in Verdun en route to Alsace, whilst
there we spent an afternoon at a concentration camp - it was a small
one but chilling nonetheless and it made them all think . On the way
home we stopped at Bastogne and they were sitting next to the memorial
tank 9 one of the lads had to take photos of every tank he saw - fair
enough. But this one has a tale to tell, and when they realised they
were visibly shocked at kids playing on the tank.

They also visited La Madrasson, the war memorial outside Bastogne, but
declined to visit the comercial Band of Brothers exhibition in the
adjacent "museum" - it didn't seem right - somehow.

Ewan Scott
Stephen Rainsbury
2006-09-02 01:24:28 UTC
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My eldest went on a univeristy field trip to Poland last year and chose to
visit Auschvitz rather than spend another day in a culture centre so he cut
off by himself and in his words "had the woirse day of my life"

Seeing the piles of shoes still in place and piles of human hair, hand bags
and walking teh train tracks realy brought it home to him. He was quiet for
days after coming back. If anybody even mentions teh camps he is right on
ther case and if somebody were to make a joke I am sure he would deck them.
--
Stephen Rainsbury
ADC(Scouts) Gillingham Kent
ESL Agathoid Explorer Scout Unit
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens" - Jimi Hendrix
Ewan Scott
2006-09-01 07:39:55 UTC
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Post by Tim Jones
A visit to the Commonwealth War Graves Commision website (www.cwgc.org
) will almost certainly reveal that there are graves of war dead in
your local churchyard.. I had never realised that some were either
brought home to be buried or died of their injuries after returning
to their home towns.
On the war memorial in the village are the names of five brothers, all
killed within months of each other. It wiped out a whole family name
in the area.

Another great uncle of mine was wounded , and suffered from shell
shock, he spent the rest of his life in a hospital. The stunning thing
was that no-one ever talked about him and I didn't know he survived
until I read his obituary in th Herald.

Ewan Scott
Chris Atkinson
2006-09-05 00:11:25 UTC
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Post by Ewan Scott
Another great uncle of mine was wounded , and suffered from shell
shock, he spent the rest of his life in a hospital.
Yes, it wasn't just the loss of those who died in the trenches that
touched so many families. My maternal Grandfather survived the war, only
to lose his life in the great 'flu epidemic of 1918 before he had even
been demobbed. My paternal Grandfather was in the Machine Gun Corps, was
gassed, and spent the rest of his life as a semi-invalid because of
that.
I like your idea of using the two Eric Bogle songs, they've always been
great favourites of mine. The one points up the bravery of volunteers
under impossible conditions, whilst the other underlines the inherent
waste and futility. The more things change ...
Chris A.
--
Chris Atkinson
***@ntlworld.com
Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.
Edward
2006-09-07 21:28:38 UTC
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Post by Tim Jones
A visit to the Commonwealth War Graves Commision website (www.cwgc.org
) will almost certainly reveal that there are graves of war dead in
your local churchyard.. I had never realised that some were either
brought home to be buried or died of their injuries after returning
to their home towns.
We found a few interesting and tragic tales in our local churchyard
which helped to bring some of the names in the list of the fallen read
out in the Remebrance Sunday service to life for the scouts.
You could maybe also check out the names on the War Memorial and find
out how and where they were killed.
regards
Tim Jones
I had occasion to visit a neighbouring village hall last year and I
looked at the WW1 memorial tablet there. This village has a detached
portion consisting of two terraces amounting to 26 houses and is about
300 yards from the edge of the main village. I found that eighteen
names were related to that pair of terraces.

What was it like when the telegraph boy was seen approaching?
--
Edward SL
Stephen Rainsbury
2006-09-07 21:56:48 UTC
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Post by Edward
300 yards from the edge of the main village. I found that eighteen
names were related to that pair of terraces.
What was it like when the telegraph boy was seen approaching?
They had what they called "Pals" units i.e. who regiments raised from one
area or even factory, IIRC the Sunlight Soap factory raised its own. If
that unit came under heavy fire of took heavy loses then all the casualties
would probably come from a very small geographical area.

For WW2 they made sure people were mixed up to minimise the physiological
impact back home
--
Stephen Rainsbury
ADC(Scouts) Gillingham Kent
ESL Agathoid Explorer Scout Unit
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens" - Jimi Hendrix
Gooders
2006-09-01 10:01:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ewan Scott
Every year I vow that we will do something for Remembrance Day on
section Nights. Most years it ends up a last minute on-the-fly job and
I always feel that I owe it more.
I don't want to send everyone home depressed and morose but I do want
to try and make them think.
In the past I read a log book entry from a merchant ship that was
struck and sunk by a U-Boat torpedo in the Atlantic. It silenced the
whole troop. I found it harder to read than I expected and it rather
obviously hit home with one or two of the kids.
I've read some Sigfried Sassoon and Wilfred Owen but this year I'd
like to work up some programme around Remembrence, and perhaps finsh
with, or include some songs.
I've got a few in mind to choose from:-
Flowers O The Forest - has to be pipes.
The Band Played Waltzing Matilda - Clancy & Makem - about Gallipoli
and the human cost.
The Fields of France - The Corries - WW1 related
The Old Boys - Run Rig - a lament about the passing of the veterans
Anyway, has anyone any other ideas for a short project, or "game" or
anything that fits in with the theme.
I know it is a while of but I'd like to be prepared this time.
Ewan Scott
In the 1970s, Anglia TV made a documentary about my great grandad and
his experiences during WW1. It was made to commemorate the 60th
anniversary of the battle of the Somme and was called 'Charlie Brown's
Great War'.

In it he talks about experiences of working under fire, being gassed
and life in the trenches. The most moving scene is finding his missing
brother's name on one of the memorials.

I was planning to show that to the Scouts this year. We also have one
of the parents who has served in Iraq that can talk about that
conflict.

Not much use to you I guess.

Regards,

Stephen
Stephen Rainsbury
2006-09-02 01:37:09 UTC
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As a balance I wopuld recommend "Blood and Poppycock" by Carrigan.

It relies heavily on documentary evidence, log books, letters home, daily
reoprts etc.. to prove that the hsitory of WW1 as tol in schools was wrong
and lkargely due to exgeration by the Lloyd George Government of the early
1920s.

It presents records to show that there were very few pwoplw killed by gas
compared to other means and that men were not summarily shot for "Lack of
moral fibre" in fact the records showed that only a few hundred were shot by
firing squad, which was not that much higher than WW2,

It also went through the reasons behind many of teh so called "Lions Lead by
Donkeys" incidents, yes some were cock ups but most were part of a greater
strategy and actually hold up to scrutiny.

For examplke, our army was much better treated than teh French who at one
point were in open mutiny and their part of the line was largely undefended
for extended periods. During one of these the (Second?) Verduns offensive
was launched to fool teh Germans into thinking the line was heaveily
fortified. It cost us dearly but without it we could have been surrounded
and cut off from the rest of the allies.

It also points out that we were very much a junior player in WW1, the
Germans, French and Russians had far more troops committed than us and had
far higher casualties.

I don't normally read things like this but 'er indoors recommended it so I
got it out the library. At more than one point he openly attacks Black
Adder 4 as being completly wrong and being just as accurate as Mickey Mouse
is as a wild life documentary.
--
Stephen Rainsbury
ADC(Scouts) Gillingham Kent
ESL Agathoid Explorer Scout Unit
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens" - Jimi Hendrix
Bill Oldroyd
2006-09-02 06:48:07 UTC
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Post by Stephen Rainsbury
As a balance I wopuld recommend "Blood and Poppycock" by Carrigan.
This site http://www.johndclare.net/ has a page about this :

http://www.johndclare.net/wwi3_Corrigan_quotes.htm
Post by Stephen Rainsbury
I don't normally read things like this but 'er indoors recommended it so I
got it out the library. At more than one point he openly attacks Black
Adder 4 as being completly wrong and being just as accurate as Mickey Mouse
is as a wild life documentary.
I thought it was comedy programme.

Bill
Stephen Rainsbury
2006-09-03 10:06:30 UTC
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Post by Bill Oldroyd
Post by Stephen Rainsbury
As a balance I wopuld recommend "Blood and Poppycock" by Carrigan.
http://www.johndclare.net/wwi3_Corrigan_quotes.htm
Thanks, not sure about the copyright on that but its a good precis
Post by Bill Oldroyd
Post by Stephen Rainsbury
got it out the library. At more than one point he openly attacks Black
Adder 4 as being completly wrong and being just as accurate as Mickey Mouse
is as a wild life documentary.
I thought it was comedy programme.
It is, but it painted the British army in a bad light and added to many of
the myths.

I suppose it would be like somebody doing a comedy show about bumbling scout
leaders abusing their kids.
--
Stephen Rainsbury
ADC(Scouts) Gillingham Kent
ESL Agathoid Explorer Scout Unit
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens" - Jimi Hendrix
Alan Dicey
2006-09-03 22:55:27 UTC
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Post by Stephen Rainsbury
As a balance I wopuld recommend "Blood and Poppycock" by Carrigan.
Mud, Blood and Poppycock by Gordon Corrigan, ISBN: 0304366595.

The author is an ardent revisionist, and his bias is no surprise. He
retired from the Army as a Major, so it is perhaps not surprising that
he should try to rehabilitate the reputation of the General Staff.
Post by Stephen Rainsbury
It relies heavily on documentary evidence, log books, letters home,
daily reoprts etc.. to prove that the hsitory of WW1 as tol in schools
was wrong and lkargely due to exgeration by the Lloyd George Government
of the early 1920s.
It presents records to show that there were very few pwoplw killed by
gas compared to other means and that men were not summarily shot for
"Lack of moral fibre" in fact the records showed that only a few hundred
were shot by firing squad, which was not that much higher than WW2,
The gas attacks were shocking because they were perceived as unfair,
inhuman, uncivilised - they were in violation of the Hague Convention.
When they worked they were effective in causing panic, but too much
depended on the vagaries of the weather. The biggest effect was not in
the deaths, but in the walking wounded they caused, many of them
blinded. Bear in mind that neither side had anything resembling an
effective gas-mask.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/ypres2.htm

*Only* a *few hundred* were shot by firing squad!

http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/stonesexecution.htm
Post by Stephen Rainsbury
It also went through the reasons behind many of teh so called "Lions
Lead by Donkeys" incidents, yes some were cock ups but most were part of
a greater strategy and actually hold up to scrutiny.
It is inescapable that almost a million British casualties were suffered
for no significant gain. If the general staff was not incompetent
then you must lay the blame on the soldiers inability to carry out their
orders. Is this really the reason for their inability to carry an
attack in the face of machine-gun fire? Or was the advantage on the
side of the defense simply too great?
Post by Stephen Rainsbury
For examplke, our army was much better treated than teh French who at
one point were in open mutiny and their part of the line was largely
undefended for extended periods.
Nivelle. There should be a special hell, just for him. A man who
believed his own publicity and told France that he could win the war
in 48 hours, on the Aisne. http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/aisne2.htm
Nearly 200,000 casualties later, the French Army had had enough of empty
promises. Their mutiny (April-May) took the form of holding their
positions but refusing all orders to advance, so the line was never
undefended.
Post by Stephen Rainsbury
During one of these the (Second?)
Verduns offensive was launched to fool teh Germans into thinking the
line was heaveily fortified. It cost us dearly but without it we could
have been surrounded and cut off from the rest of the allies.
The only battle that fits the timescale is Third Ypres, more usually
known as Passchendaele. I can't find any historical support for the
idea of this as a diversionary attack.
http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/ypres3.htm
The danger to the Allies at this time was the influx of German troops
from the Eastern front, freed up by the Russian Revolution. They had
one last chance to win before the influx of American troops overwhelmed
them.
Post by Stephen Rainsbury
It also points out that we were very much a junior player in WW1, the
Germans, French and Russians had far more troops committed than us and
had far higher casualties.
We were on French soil as an allied expeditionary force. The casualty
figures that I can find don't indicate that our losses were
significantly smaller:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm
http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/casualties.htm
http://www.english.emory.edu/LostPoets/Casualties.html
We lost nearly a million, almost as many as France.
Post by Stephen Rainsbury
I don't normally read things like this but 'er indoors recommended it so
I got it out the library. At more than one point he openly attacks
Black Adder 4 as being completly wrong and being just as accurate as
Mickey Mouse is as a wild life documentary.
An easy target, both are comedy programs aiming for laughs. The
end sequence of Blackadder IV is no different from the other three
series, everybody dies a gruesome death...only in Blackadder IV we are
not invited to laugh.




What to do about Remembrance Day?

Remembrance is about remembering the fallen, who willingly gave their
tomorrows for our today. As far as possible, leave the politics, the
pro- and anti-war arguments, the factional battles of historians to one
side, and remember the people who died. Remember the past so that we may
be reminded not to repeat it. That means looking for tales of individuals.

http://www.firstworldwar.com/diaries/index.htm

The usual Scouting tale is of Jack Cornwall VC.
http://www.scouting.milestones.btinternet.co.uk/cornwell.htm
Stephen Rainsbury
2006-09-04 22:59:32 UTC
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The only battle that fits the timescale is Third Ypres, more usually known
as Passchendaele. I can't find any historical support for the idea of
this as a diversionary attack.
It was a library book so I don't have it handy, but I want to read it again
so I willlook up th reference.

I got the impression that it wasn't intended to gain ground just create the
illusion that there was not a problem, which was probably a waste of time if
half the stories about spies walking openly between camps posing as french
dentists or nurses etc are verified.
We were on French soil as an allied expeditionary force. The casualty
figures that I can find don't indicate that our losses were significantly
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm
http://www.firstworldwar.com/features/casualties.htm
http://www.english.emory.edu/LostPoets/Casualties.html
We lost nearly a million, almost as many as France.
I thought that all in all the French and Beligians lost quite a few more,
but that was nothing compare to the Russians.
What to do about Remembrance Day?
We normally focus on WW2, the Gulf War, or this year is going to have to be
the RAF Nimrod that went down last weekend. Its not the same as school and
seems easier for most to relate to.

A few years back we went to look for the site of a German bomber that
crashed on Bluebell Hill. We found what was supposed to be the spot but I
have since been told that it is a local legend that also included a crashed
Zeppelin and several fighter aircraft. (I ought to ask the Historical
Society at the Airport really)
--
Stephen Rainsbury
ADC(Scouts) Gillingham Kent
ESL Agathoid Explorer Scout Unit
"Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens" - Jimi Hendrix
h***@gmail.com
2014-04-27 16:39:13 UTC
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Post by Gooders
Post by Ewan Scott
Every year I vow that we will do something for Remembrance Day on
section Nights. Most years it ends up a last minute on-the-fly job and
I always feel that I owe it more.
I don't want to send everyone home depressed and morose but I do want
to try and make them think.
In the past I read a log book entry from a merchant ship that was
struck and sunk by a U-Boat torpedo in the Atlantic. It silenced the
whole troop. I found it harder to read than I expected and it rather
obviously hit home with one or two of the kids.
I've read some Sigfried Sassoon and Wilfred Owen but this year I'd
like to work up some programme around Remembrence, and perhaps finsh
with, or include some songs.
I've got a few in mind to choose from:-
Flowers O The Forest - has to be pipes.
The Band Played Waltzing Matilda - Clancy & Makem - about Gallipoli
and the human cost.
The Fields of France - The Corries - WW1 related
The Old Boys - Run Rig - a lament about the passing of the veterans
Anyway, has anyone any other ideas for a short project, or "game" or
anything that fits in with the theme.
I know it is a while of but I'd like to be prepared this time.
Ewan Scott
In the 1970s, Anglia TV made a documentary about my great grandad and
his experiences during WW1. It was made to commemorate the 60th
anniversary of the battle of the Somme and was called 'Charlie Brown's
Great War'.
In it he talks about experiences of working under fire, being gassed
and life in the trenches. The most moving scene is finding his missing
brother's name on one of the memorials.
I was planning to show that to the Scouts this year. We also have one
of the parents who has served in Iraq that can talk about that
conflict.
Not much use to you I guess.
Regards,
Stephen
andy
2006-09-01 15:27:44 UTC
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Post by Ewan Scott
Anyway, has anyone any other ideas for a short project, or "game" or
anything that fits in with the theme.
I know it is a while of but I'd like to be prepared this time.
I have an interest in wartime, particularly to do with radio.
I played some real wartime broadcasts to them like the sound of a V1 flying
then dropping and also recordings of service personnel at D-day etc.
I also have radio broadcasts from concentration camp liberations - quite
sobering

We did a showing on Saving Private Ryan a couple of years ago for the
explorers and had a follow up debate on whether it was worth it. Split
Decision
The one down side was that the rumour mill started up and what began as a
cert 15 war movie morphed into the fact that I was showing porn movies.
Chinese whispers indeed, thankfully it was caught and killed before it
escaped into the wider world.

I ran a camp based upon a wartime ration. All the food that the Scouts had
to eat was a standard domestic ration.
They complained that it was bland and that it was tiny amount that left them
hungry. What really stunned them at the wash up was that they had eaten a
week's ration in two days and complined that they were hungry.
We had fun playing with hayboxes that weekend as well.

Andy
Tim O'Brien
2006-09-02 23:20:32 UTC
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Post by Ewan Scott
Every year I vow that we will do something for Remembrance Day on
section Nights. Most years it ends up a last minute on-the-fly job and
I always feel that I owe it more.
I don't want to send everyone home depressed and morose but I do want
to try and make them think.
I am currently reading "Boy Soldiers of the Great War" by Richard van Emden.
It tells how young boys in the wave of patriotism that followed the start of
WW1, rushed to join up. Some of these were as young as thirteen. The book
contains first hand accounts from some of these young boys. Scouts and
scoutleaders were prominent amongst those who joined up.
I am sure that you would find lots of suitable material here to make your
scouts think of the sacrifice many of these children made, and of the
horrors of war that they faced.
My own grandfather was a victim of the war. He was a Sergeant in the Royal
Irish Regiment and died in 1915.
Tim O'Brien.
Dave How
2006-09-03 21:14:16 UTC
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Post by Ewan Scott
Every year I vow that we will do something for Remembrance Day on
section Nights. Most years it ends up a last minute on-the-fly job and
I always feel that I owe it more.
Anyway, has anyone any other ideas for a short project, or "game" or
anything that fits in with the theme.
I know it is a while of but I'd like to be prepared this time.
Ewan Scott
Sorry, came to read this posting rather late...

A game I've played with my Cubs (so that they get some idea of just how
many people died in the trenches) was to come up with a bunch of questions
about the first world war and use it as a runaround quiz, ie give them
three possible answers and they run to the base they think appropriate.

If they get the question right they receive a piece of kit (rifle, boots,
uniform, food etc) in the form of a token. Once the quiz is finished they
all line up at one end of the room to 'go to war'. At the start of each
new 'day' they step forward one pace and then an attack happens. I draw an
attack card at random and those without the relevant piece of equipment
(ie no gas mask when there's a gas attack) are killed and lie down. Those
who survive move on to the next day leaving their dead behind them.

You can usually kill them all off within a fortnight which, when you
consider that the average tour of duty at the frontline was, I think, ten
days, means that most of them wouldn't have made it through!

Dimming the lights and playing some suitable music creates the atmosphere
nicely.

If this might be of interest let me know and I'll dig out the questions
and the equipment tokens etc. and send them on to you.

Dave How
CSL 1st Blackmoor & Whitehill
Roger Woods
2006-09-03 22:47:49 UTC
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Post by Dave How
Dimming the lights and playing some suitable music creates the atmosphere
nicely.
If this might be of interest let me know and I'll dig out the questions
and the equipment tokens etc. and send them on to you.
Dave How
CSL 1st Blackmoor & Whitehill
Yes Please Dave would be great

Thanks

Roger Woods
CSL Pegasus Pack
1St Sawley Long Eaton
John Russell
2006-09-04 06:22:05 UTC
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Post by Dave How
Sorry, came to read this posting rather late...
A game I've played with my Cubs (so that they get some idea of just how
many people died in the trenches) was to come up with a bunch of questions
about the first world war and use it as a runaround quiz, ie give them
three possible answers and they run to the base they think appropriate.
If they get the question right they receive a piece of kit (rifle, boots,
uniform, food etc) in the form of a token. Once the quiz is finished they
all line up at one end of the room to 'go to war'. At the start of each
new 'day' they step forward one pace and then an attack happens. I draw an
attack card at random and those without the relevant piece of equipment
(ie no gas mask when there's a gas attack) are killed and lie down. Those
who survive move on to the next day leaving their dead behind them.
You can usually kill them all off within a fortnight which, when you
consider that the average tour of duty at the frontline was, I think, ten
days, means that most of them wouldn't have made it through!
Dimming the lights and playing some suitable music creates the atmosphere
nicely.
If this might be of interest let me know and I'll dig out the questions
and the equipment tokens etc. and send them on to you.
Brilliant! I'd really appreciate a copy of your 'game set', please. It's
also well worth putting on UKRSA.
--
John Russell
CSL 1st Pinhoe Exeter Devon
http://www.pinhoescouts.org.uk/cubs/
Cubs don't care how much you know, but they need to know how much you care.
baloo
2006-09-04 07:53:11 UTC
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Post by Dave How
If this might be of interest let me know and I'll dig out the questions
and the equipment tokens etc. and send them on to you.
Dave,

Please may I have details, as well, sounds like just the thing I have
been looking for.


Peter

Balooat2ndbracknelldotcodotuk

ACSL - 2nd Bracknell - Scouting for Bullbrook & Warfield -
www.2ndbracknell.co.uk
Shop online http://buy.at/2ndbracknell. You get good prices, we get
commission.
Ewan Scott
2006-09-04 08:14:36 UTC
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Post by Dave How
If this might be of interest let me know and I'll dig out the questions
and the equipment tokens etc. and send them on to you.
Dave How
CSL 1st Blackmoor & Whitehill
Yes, that sounds interesting

Ewan Scott
Dave How
2006-09-06 10:59:26 UTC
Permalink
Sent an email with attachment to each of you last night (5th Sept). Thanks
for your interest.
Dave How
CSL 1st Blackmoor & Whitehill
baloo
2006-09-06 11:53:15 UTC
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Sent an email with attachment to each of you last night (5th Sept). Thanks
for your interest.
Dave, thanks for that I have just had a quick look (really should be
doing some work!) and it looks very interesting.

Interesting what you say about trench foot!
We had a quite a wet summer camp and most of the cubs were spending a
lot of time in just their trainers (despite having wellies on the kit
list!). We had one lad who was complaining about his feet and I gave
the others a real fright when I told them about trench foot and the
consequences of not wearing appropriate footwear and changing out of
the wet socks! It obviously worked as during the rest of the week,
several of them came and asked if they could go and change out of their
wet socks!


For anyone interested another useful site is:-
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/Remembrance.html

Peter Freeman

ACSL (soon to be CSL) - 2nd Bracknell - Scouting for Bullbrook &
Warfield - www.2ndbracknell.co.uk
Shop online http://buy.at/2ndbracknell. You get good prices, we get
commission.
baloo
2006-09-06 11:53:30 UTC
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Sent an email with attachment to each of you last night (5th Sept). Thanks
for your interest.
Dave, thanks for that I have just had a quick look (really should be
doing some work!) and it looks very interesting.

Interesting what you say about trench foot!
We had a quite a wet summer camp and most of the cubs were spending a
lot of time in just their trainers (despite having wellies on the kit
list!). We had one lad who was complaining about his feet and I gave
the others a real fright when I told them about trench foot and the
consequences of not wearing appropriate footwear and changing out of
the wet socks! It obviously worked as during the rest of the week,
several of them came and asked if they could go and change out of their
wet socks!


For anyone interested another useful site is:-
http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/Remembrance.html

Peter Freeman

ACSL (soon to be CSL) - 2nd Bracknell - Scouting for Bullbrook &
Warfield - www.2ndbracknell.co.uk
Shop online http://buy.at/2ndbracknell. You get good prices, we get
commission.
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