Talking of cake

Post by Ian Meanie
Does anyone else put on their kit list "cake"?
One of my ESLs does, and the actually listen, and it's now a tradition
for lots of cake to turn up.
This seems like a good thing to me.
Ian

Yes.

It's there to combat the Hollywood myth of the "Midnight feast". All the
cakes/biscuits go into a communal pot.

John Russell

2011-04-26 19:02:43 UTC

Yes.
It's there to combat the Hollywood myth of the "Midnight feast". All the
cakes/biscuits go into a communal pot.

Cake is always on our kit list. We encourage oneupmumship! We ask
for it to be in named tins, so we can thank the Cub when we share out
his contribution.

--
John Russell
CSL 1st Pinhoe Exeter Devon

Cubs don't care how much you know, but they need to know how much you care.

Chris Atkinson

2011-04-26 19:54:13 UTC

In message

Yup, it's a perfectly normal 'survival' ration for ESs (carrying on a
long-standing tradition from Senior Scouts, Rovers and Venture Scouts) .
I would add tinned sardines and tinned, sliced peaches. Forget all that
extra weight penalty stuff, this is THE ultimate self-congratulatory
snack when you've reached your objective ;^)
Chris A

--
Chris Atkinson
***@ntlworld.com
Things are more like they are now than they ever were before.

Grant Mitchell

2011-04-26 21:12:50 UTC

I don't any more, but our CSL when I first became a leader used to include
it for Cub camp -
we would be inundated with a fabulous selection of home-made cakes and they
would get
shared out for supper after the night hike (on the first night) or the camp
fire (on the second
night). I'm salivating at the memory!

Grant
1st Disley

MatSav

2011-04-27 08:05:21 UTC

Post by Ian Meanie
Does anyone else put on their kit list "cake"?
One of my ESLs does, and the actually listen, and it's now a
tradition
for lots of cake to turn up.
This seems like a good thing to me.

I've just been away for Easter Camp with Scouts. The DESC's wife
obliged with providing cakes, she's well known for them!

There could be a problem with cakes provided by parents, if
anyone attending has a food allergy. On the camp I've just
returned from, there was a Scout with a *very* severe nut
allergy, and we had to ensure there were absolutely no nuts in
the food and ingredients.

--
MatSav

Brian Smith

2011-04-27 09:38:26 UTC

In message <ip8ilt$tvk$***@dont-email.me>, MatSav <***@yahoo.co.uk>
writes

Post by Ian Meanie
Does anyone else put on their kit list "cake"?
One of my ESLs does, and the actually listen, and it's now a
tradition
for lots of cake to turn up.
This seems like a good thing to me.

I've just been away for Easter Camp with Scouts. The DESC's wife
obliged with providing cakes, she's well known for them!
There could be a problem with cakes provided by parents, if
anyone attending has a food allergy. On the camp I've just
returned from, there was a Scout with a *very* severe nut
allergy, and we had to ensure there were absolutely no nuts in
the food and ingredients.

Perhaps we should change the name of this newsgroup from UKRS to UKRC? -
there have been lots of posts about cakes in recent times.

--
Brian Smith

Marc

2011-04-27 14:05:47 UTC

Post by Ian Meanie
Does anyone else put on their kit list "cake"?
One of my ESLs does, and the actually listen, and it's now a
tradition
for lots of cake to turn up.
This seems like a good thing to me.

I've just been away for Easter Camp with Scouts. The DESC's wife
obliged with providing cakes, she's well known for them!
There could be a problem with cakes provided by parents, if
anyone attending has a food allergy. On the camp I've just
returned from, there was a Scout with a *very* severe nut
allergy, and we had to ensure there were absolutely no nuts in
the food and ingredients.

Why do "we" need to do that?

Cake A Has declared content, but has no, X Y or Z, can be eaten by
anyone that wants to.

Cake B Has undeclared content, those that may be affected by XY or Z
should steer clear of it.

Cake C contains X, those that may be affected by X, should steer clear
of it.

Chris.5th

2011-04-27 14:28:14 UTC

I've just been away for Easter Camp with Scouts. The DESC's wife
obliged with providing cakes, she's well known for them!
There could be a problem with cakes provided by parents, if
anyone attending has a food allergy. On the camp I've just
returned from, there was a Scout with a *very* severe nut
allergy, and we had to ensure there were absolutely no nuts in
the food and ingredients.

Why do "we" need to do that?
Cake A Has declared content, but has no, X Y or Z, can be eaten by
anyone that wants to.
Cake B Has undeclared content, those that may be affected by XY or Z
should steer clear of it.
Cake C contains X, those that may be affected by X, should steer clear
of it.

but a child has such a severe allergy that he will be affected if he
is touched by somebody who has eaten X recently.

Child 1 wants to eat cake C. Cake C contains X. Child 1 changes mind
about needing a plate and puts plate back.The plate looks clean so all
good. Child 1 can eat x, it is all fine

Child 2 comes along and eats cake A. Cake a has no X in it so Child 2
is fine. He is not eating x...

Kaboom... child 2 has massive reaction... you are in a field and it
takes more than 20 minutes to get to help, you use both epipens...
child 2 dies

that's odd... child 2 ate cake A.,.. cake A was fine...

oh... hang on... he used that plate... the one with a tiny dusting of
x... the invisible dusting... oh... that makes sense... darn... and we
tried to be safe...

Chris.5th

2011-04-27 14:30:59 UTC

I've just been away for Easter Camp with Scouts. The DESC's wife
obliged with providing cakes, she's well known for them!
There could be a problem with cakes provided by parents, if
anyone attending has a food allergy. On the camp I've just
returned from, there was a Scout with a *very* severe nut
allergy, and we had to ensure there were absolutely no nuts in
the food and ingredients.

Why do "we" need to do that?
Cake A Has declared content, but has no, X Y or Z, can be eaten by
anyone that wants to.
Cake B Has undeclared content, those that may be affected by XY or Z
should steer clear of it.
Cake C contains X, those that may be affected by X, should steer clear
of it.

but a child has such a severe allergy that he will be affected if he
is touched by somebody who has eaten X recently.
Child 1 wants to eat cake C. Cake C contains X. Child 1 changes mind
about needing a plate and puts plate back.The plate looks clean so all
good. Child 1 can eat x, it is all fine
Child 2 comes along and eats cake A. Cake a has no X in it so Child 2
is fine. He is not eating x...
Kaboom... child 2 has massive reaction... you are in a field and it
takes more than 20 minutes to get to help, you use both epipens...
child 2 dies
that's odd... child 2 ate cake A.,.. cake A was fine...
oh... hang on... he used that plate... the one with a tiny dusting of
x... the invisible dusting... oh... that makes sense... darn... and we
tried to be safe...

by the way... before you think i'm being silly...

that is an adapted version of how my cousin died... in his case, it
was a hotel and a bowl that once held muesli.

Marc

2011-04-27 17:50:45 UTC

I've just been away for Easter Camp with Scouts. The DESC's wife
obliged with providing cakes, she's well known for them!
There could be a problem with cakes provided by parents, if
anyone attending has a food allergy. On the camp I've just
returned from, there was a Scout with a *very* severe nut
allergy, and we had to ensure there were absolutely no nuts in
the food and ingredients.

Why do "we" need to do that?
Cake A Has declared content, but has no, X Y or Z, can be eaten by
anyone that wants to.
Cake B Has undeclared content, those that may be affected by XY or Z
should steer clear of it.
Cake C contains X, those that may be affected by X, should steer clear
of it.

but a child has such a severe allergy that he will be affected if he
is touched by somebody who has eaten X recently.

Then you can't allow the child to attend camp...

Neil Williams

2011-04-27 18:17:40 UTC

Post by Marc
Then you can't allow the child to attend camp.

Depends on the risk. A child might have an epipen, for instance, but
avoiding the issue so far as possible is better.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

MatSav

2011-04-27 22:16:21 UTC

Post by Ian Meanie
Does anyone else put on their kit list "cake"?
One of my ESLs does, and the actually listen, and it's now
a
tradition
for lots of cake to turn up.
This seems like a good thing to me.

I've just been away for Easter Camp with Scouts. The DESC's
wife
obliged with providing cakes, she's well known for them!
There could be a problem with cakes provided by parents, if
anyone attending has a food allergy. On the camp I've just
returned from, there was a Scout with a *very* severe nut
allergy, and we had to ensure there were absolutely no nuts
in
the food and ingredients.

Why do "we" need to do that?
Cake A Has declared content, but has no, X Y or Z, can be
eaten by
anyone that wants to.
Cake B Has undeclared content, those that may be affected by XY or Z
should steer clear of it.
Cake C contains X, those that may be affected by X, should
steer clear
of it.

Indeed, this is a reasonable control strategy where it is
ingestion that causes a reaction.

However...

In the specific case I referred to, even being in the same room
as nuts can trigger a reaction that necessitates the use of *two*
Epipens (at a 5-minute interval, if professional help has not
arrived), and a trip to A&E.

A Scout had a Snickers bar before coming to a Troop meeting, and
the residue on his skin was enough to cause said anaphylactic
shock.

At a Christmas Fair fundraising event, cakes were also provided
for sale, with the same result.

The Group where the Scout is a member now has a very strict
"Nut-Free Zone" policy at its HQ, and when away on camps.

Said Scout is planning to go on Summer Camp to the Netherlands
this year, where peanut butter sauce ("pindasaus") is regularly
served with chips, and chicken satay is a staple food. It could
be interesting, to say the least!

--
MatSav

Pete

2011-04-28 19:14:06 UTC

"Ian Meanie" wrote in message news:02906a06-3ee3-4e77-a7f3-***@q32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...

Does anyone else put on their kit list "cake"?

One of my ESLs does, and the actually listen, and it's now a tradition
for lots of cake to turn up.

This seems like a good thing to me.

Ian

Yep, we do! That way we avoid the dreaded 'Mr Kiplings' or 'boring
biscuits' all week!

We get some shop-brought cakes, but many are home made, so we get a good
variety. They get shared out mid-morning, mid-afternoon and with the hot
choc before bed. They usually last the whole week at summer camp - one cake
per Scout/Explorer seems to be just right.

Pete

--
Peter Maley
SL, 3rd Whitstable
ESL, Tombstones ESU

baggy

2011-04-29 20:21:07 UTC

We used to - but stopped for weekend camps and pack holidays as we
would end up with TOO much cake - each parent tried to ensure there
was enough cake for everyone to have a bit of theirs.... x 28 meant
that we would often have cake left at the end....

Baggy

AndyW

2011-05-03 07:41:42 UTC